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This was much simpler with 9 compartments, 2 flash light bulbs in each compartment. One red one clear. Each compartment had one or 2 switches (I don’t recall, but I think only one). There was a white plastic that covered the top that the toggle switches where mounted in each square. The lines where draw on the top that lined up with the compartments below.

One person played. As the player picked a box, they would flip the switch in that box. That would light up white, and at the same time would light up another box being red.
Rules where you could not flip a switch on a box that is lighted. I do believe sometimes you did win on a rare occasion.
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— Shawn

Ironically it would have run on my old XP machine.

I wrote a similar program to yours which you might want to take a look at here on the Basic4GL forum. :)

— hartnell

I don't use FreeBasic but I'm fairly sure I could answer questions on general programming with it as opposed to questions on specific functions and so on.

Anyway, good luck with your programming. :)

Cheers!

FoM

Thanks, Karl

my simple freeware Basic4GL drawing program "Mandala"

is available here:
http://karl.kiwi.gen.nz/swindex1.html

Often everything is black at the start, despite a programmed grey background and black square outlining the drawing area.
What did I do wrong?

Thanks for any help,
Karl

I spent some time wondering around the site and downloaded FreeBASIC and FBIde. It took me quite a while to find those and figure out what to do with them! As for lessons the FreeBASIC tutorials are doing great for a beginner like me!! As long as I learn the hows and whats and some of the more generic functions common to most programming languages, I think I'll do fine on any of them.

Now that I've got my feet planted where I need them to be, I know I can just trundle along at my own pace. I'll be sure to ask you peeps any questions I have!

Cheers!!!

FoM.

It's good, seems to work fine and has some good questions. My advice would be to give it some more questions and actually randomly generate some of them so it's not always the same.

Not bad for your first FreeBasic game. :)

I say check out Matthew's links, either of those languages/Game Maker would work. If you were to choose GM, you could probably head over to the Game Maker Wiki, which is run by the same guy as this site. As for Basic4GL and Brutus2D, you could probably get some help from us here.

And by the way, is this source code or an .exe? If it's source I can' try it, I don't have FreeBasic.

You should also take a look at Game Maker the free version is a bit feature limited but you can develop games without too much effort. :)

I've just signed on and I'm looking to learn about design and programming. I'm mostly an RPG/strategy gamer, and I've been really fascinated by the ASCII game Dwarf Fortress by Bay 12 Games. I just read "A theory of fun for game design", by Raph Koster, and I really appreciated the view that learning and challenges are what makes a game fun. One of the earliest games I played that had a huge impact on my life was Ultima IV (Sega console, I think). It stuck out to me so much because the game requires you to behave, in-game, according to a set of virtues that you must eventually become an avatar of. This was different to the usual win-by-killing games I had played and have played since. This game had real world implications for me by teaching me about virtues, values, and beliefs, and I would someday like to program a similar ASCII or tile-based game.

I have near-to-no programming experience whatsoever. I did a little html back in the 90s, I played around with RPG Maker 2000 at about the same time, and while I'm comfortable with maths, I am no genius. I find I learn best by a) having a relevant context, and b) having concrete illustrations to depict abstract concepts.

I'm currently studying post-grad (non-IT) so I'm looking at doing this as a pasttime. Can anyone with expertise or experience in ASCII or tile-based games help put my virgin foot on the first rung of my ladder?

Cheers!!

FoM.

— hartnell

download link

The object is to correctly answer the questions.

I'm sure that when and if I check back on this post there will be some kind of immature response, or editing the post to degrade or insult me somehow… Do what you want, but don't expect to keep doing the same things and expecting different results…

Retard…

Wow. You have never played D&D. As it is far more open-ended than any computer ever will, everything you do can be weighed and considered and used strategically without good stats. Hmm. I'm a wizard with a low int, str, dex, con… I know. I'll instead turn part of that stalactite into mud and impale what I am fighting. Wow. My stats meant a lot. Oh. And pen-and-paper game is not a board game. Know what you are talking about.

"Anyway, games like Elder Scrolls most definitely fit your description of an RPG, with elments like interactive dialogue, options on how to open doors/chests/etc. (like picking versus using a key), and leveling up, BUT it also has elements more akin to Zelda games like real-time combat where you press buttons to fight and have a wide assortment of weapons, magic, etc. So, is Elder Scrolls an RPG or not?"

Elder Scrolls falls squarely into the blurred genre of Action RPG. Zelda has been contested since its conception on the genre.

"The problem is you're trying to apply a "traditional" definition of an RPG, as opposed to the more mainstream definition. In today's society, an RPG is pretty much defined as any game where you play the ROLE of ONE central character throughout the game. You have to complete an epic quest, which involves more than just one thing like shooting (like in Halo). "

No. Just. No. If an RPG is playing the role of one character throughout the game completing an epic quest, Halo qualifies. You play as Master Chief John (Can't remember his last name). You undergo an epic quest to stop the destruction of everything from the Flood. You end up completely obliterating structures which were created to destroy the Flood's food source. Single guy saving the world. That's an epic quest. Halo is still an FPS.

"You actually have to explore, solve puzzles, and defeat monsters to unlock the next chapter in the game. Also, the most standard definition is a game that takes a long time to beat. Games like Zelda can take 20, 40, even 60 hours to beat where as FPS and platformers can be beat in less than 5."

Maybe if you suck. I can drop a Halo game in about 5-6 hours. Also, you don't have to do most of that to complete the game. In the first Zelda game, you can get all the way to Ganon without grabbing the sword at the beginning. You just can't beat him. I'll be bringing this up in a minute as well.

"Zelda games may not have a "points" based leveling system, but do you really think that Link from the beginning of OoT could defeat Ganondorf at the end of the game? No. You "level" up by learning new skills, abilities, and obtaining newer and more powerful weapons. Zelda games may not fit your "traditional" view of what an RPG is, but that doesn't mean it isn't one. It's just different."

Okay, now is where I almost agree with you. Generally, something different means it falls under a different genre, and here it does. Zelda has elements of puzzle games, action, adventure, and, yes, RPGs. The puzzle, action, and adventure are obvious. What is being contested is the RPG aspect.

The general definition I can find is basically a game which places a strong emphasis on storyline-driven arcs and character development, with the payoff almost always based on storytelling instead of experiencing a more dynamic world via nonlinear gameplay. Just because it fits, even though it is not always the case, I will add in a game mechanics system as well.

Now, the problem here is does the Zelda series fall into that description?

Yes and no.

Okay, we'll start at the beginning. Zelda most definately has a strong emphasis on a storyline-driven arc - but then most games do. As much character development as there is, most of it is not with Link, but with the NPCs. This is odd in an RPG, but not unheard of. I presonally play the Zelda games for the storyline more than anything, so I would say that the biggets reward I gain is that. And they are most definately nonlinear (as already pointed out about the sword in the first Zelda). Other points of this are shown in every Zelda game, in which you can go through different dungeons at different times and get things in a different order - all leading to one final point, to be sure. Also to note, I will pull out The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time. In this game, you can wield the Megaton hammer through the game once you get it, and only rarely need to use your sword. You can do the same with Biggoron's Sword, as opposed to the Master Sword.

Game mechanics. This seems to be the big issue. You are correct in that Zelda does not have traditional game mechanics. What it does have is an increase of items, including upgrading your equipment to be more powerful. You also have different equipment for different situations (Such as resisting heat using the Goron Tunic in Ocarina). It requires ingenuity and sets you up for a moderately nonlinear game. However, I am avoiding statistics.

You begin with three hearts, and no magic. As time progresses, you are rewarded for doing heroic deeds or for sheer ingenuity by gaining more hearts (hit points, perhaps?) and magic (akin to mana or MP in most other CRPGs). By the end of the game, you are doing more damage, fighting stronger enemies, have more health (Which drops must faster), and a magic pool to speak of.

This is why I would classify Zelda as an Action/Adventure RPG.

On a side note, I am an avid player of multiple PnP games, such as D&D, WoD, BESM, GURPS, etc. And, I am all of 21 years old.

Also, to the other anon: Playing games that came out in 1987 means nothing when compared to a game that has been around since the mid 70's. Get another decade and then say something.

Traditional board game RPGs like D&D

D&D is not a board game. Sorry. Try again. You may be thinking about Hero Quest.

How, then, should someone proceed if they want to create a video game but don't have the programming acumen to make it happen?

/u9

It might "compile" to byte code, but it is highly unlikely that it compiles to machine code.
In fact their own page calls it an interpreter.

http://www.underwaredesign.com/staticpages/playbasic/compare1.htm

Traditional board game RPGs like D&D relied strictly on the "leveling" up system because there was no real "combat". It was all about who had the best stats. On the other hand, video game RPGs, while still (typically) rely on leveling up, also have the element of simulated combat. Your timing and decisions, even in turn-based games like Final Fantasy can effect the outcome of the battle. Any real RPG fan will play games like Final Fantasy with real-time turned on, as opposed to the other option where the computer will wait until the end of time for you to play your "turn". Anyway, games like Elder Scrolls most definitely fit your description of an RPG, with elments like interactive dialogue, options on how to open doors/chests/etc. (like picking versus using a key), and leveling up, BUT it also has elements more akin to Zelda games like real-time combat where you press buttons to fight and have a wide assortment of weapons, magic, etc. So, is Elder Scrolls an RPG or not?

The problem is you're trying to apply a "traditional" definition of an RPG, as opposed to the more mainstream definition. In today's society, an RPG is pretty much defined as any game where you play the ROLE of ONE central character throughout the game. You have to complete an epic quest, which involves more than just one thing like shooting (like in Halo). You actually have to explore, solve puzzles, and defeat monsters to unlock the next chapter in the game. Also, the most standard definition is a game that takes a long time to beat. Games like Zelda can take 20, 40, even 60 hours to beat where as FPS and platformers can be beat in less than 5.

Zelda games may not have a "points" based leveling system, but do you really think that Link from the beginning of OoT could defeat Ganondorf at the end of the game? No. You "level" up by learning new skills, abilities, and obtaining newer and more powerful weapons. Zelda games may not fit your "traditional" view of what an RPG is, but that doesn't mean it isn't one. It's just different.

There are probably other sites that focus more on art that would be better.

E.K.Virtanen

Hartnell, you really should put a link to all our sub-wikis in the sidebar so that people are more likely to go to them first than here.